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Wednesday 8 July 2020

Immune modulatory treatments for autism spectrum disorder


Need a wizard, or your local doctor?

I was intrigued to come across a recent paper on immune modulatory treatments for autism by a couple of doctors from Massachusetts General Hospital for Children.  The lead author has interests in:

·      Autism spectrum disorders
·      Psychopharmacology
·      Developmental Disabilities
·      Williams syndrome
·      Angelman syndrome
·      Down syndrome

Apparently, he is an internationally-recognized expert in the neurobiology and neuropsychopharmacology of childhood-onset neuropsychiatric disorders including autistic disorder.  Sounds promising, hopefully we will learn something new.

The paper is actually a review of existing drugs, with immunomodulatory properties, that have already been suggested to be repurposed for autism. The abstract was not very insightful, so I have highlighted the final conclusions and listed the drugs, by category, that they thought should be investigated further.

All the drugs have already been covered in this blog and have already been researched in autism.

One important point raised in the conclusion relates to when the drugs are used.  Autism is a progressive condition early in life and there are so-called “critical periods” when the developing brain is highly vulnerable.

For example, Pentoxifylline has been found to be most effective in very young children.  This does not mean do not give it to a teenager with autism, it just means the sooner you treat autism the better the result will be.  This is entirely logical.

Some very clever drugs clearly do not work if given too late, for example Rapamycin analogs used in people with TSC-type autism.

Multiple Critical Periods for Rapamycin Treatment to Correct Structural Defects in Tsc-1-Suppressed Brain

Importantly, each of these developmental abnormalities that are caused by enhanced mTOR pathway has a specific window of opportunity to respond to rapamycin. Namely, dyslamination must be corrected during neurogenesis, and postnatal rapamycin treatment will not correct the cortical malformation. Similarly, exuberant branching of basal dendrites is rectifiable only during the first 2 weeks postnatally while an increase in spine density responds to rapamycin treatment thereafter.  

Back to today’s paper.


The identification of immune dysregulation in at least a subtype ASD has led to the hypothesis that immune modulatory treatments may be effective in treating the core and associated symptoms of ASD. In this article, we discussed how currently FDA-approved medications for ASD have immune modulatory properties.

“Risperidone also inhibited the expression of inflammatory signaling proteins, myelin basic protein isoform 3 (MBP1) and mitogen-activated kinase 1 (MAPK1), in a rat model of MIA. Similarly, aripiprazole has been demonstrated to inhibit expression of IL-6 and TNF-α in cultured primary human peripheral blood mononuclear cells from healthy adult donors.”

We then described emerging treatments for ASD which have been repurposed from nonpsychiatric fields of medicine including metabolic disease, infectious disease, gastroenterology, neurology, and regenerative medicine, all with immune modulatory potential. Although immune modulatory treatments are not currently the standard of care for ASD, remain experimental, and require further research to demonstrate clear safety, tolerability, and efficacy, the early positive results described above warrant further research in the context of IRB-approved clinical trials. Future research is needed to determine whether immune modulatory treatments will affect underlying pathophysiological processes affecting both the behavioral symptoms and the common immune-mediated medical co-morbidities of ASD. Identification of neuroimaging or inflammatory biomarkers that respond to immune modulatory treatment and correlate with treatment response would further support the hypothesis of an immune-mediated subtype of ASD and aid in measuring response to immune modulatory treatments. In addition, it will be important to determine if particular immune modulating treatments are best tolerated and most effective when administered at specific developmental time points across the lifespan of individuals with ASD.


Here are the drugs they listed:-

1.     Metabolic disease

Spironolactone
Pioglitazone
Pentoxifylline

Spironolactone is a cheap potassium sparing diuretic. It has secondary effects that include reducing the level of male hormones and some inflammatory cytokines.

Pioglitazone is drug for type 2 diabetes that improves insulin sensitivity.  It reduces certain inflammatory cytokines making it both an autism therapy and indeed a suggested Covid-19 therapy.

Pentoxifylline is a non-selective phosphodiesterase (PDEinhibitor, used to treat muscle pain.  PDE inhibitors are very interesting drugs with a great therapeutic potential for the treatment of immune-mediated and inflammatory diseases.  Roflumilast and Ibudilast are PDE4 inhibitors that also may improve some autism.  The limiting side effect can be nausea/vomiting, which can happen with non-selective PDE4 inhibitors.

I did try Spironolactone once; it did not seem to have any effect.  It is a good match for bumetanide because it increases potassium levels.

I do think that Pioglitazone has a helpful effect and there will be another post on that.

PDE inhibitors are used by readers of this blog. Maja is a fan of Pentoxifylline, without any side effects. Roflumilast at a low dose is supposed to raise IQ, but still makes some people want to vomit. The Japanese drug Ibudilast works for some, but nausea is listed as a possible side effect.


2.     Infectious disease

Minocycline
Vancomycin
Suramin

Minocycline is an antibiotic that crosses in to the brain.  It is known to stabilize activated microglia, the brain’s immune cells.  It is also known that tetracycline antibiotics are immunomodulatory.

Vancomycin is an antibiotic used to treat bacterial infections, if taken orally it does not go beyond the gut.  It will reduce the level of certain harmful bacteria including Clostridium difficile.

Suramin is an anti-parasite drug that Dr Naviaux is repurposing for autism, based on his theory of cell danger response.
  

3.     Neurology

Valproic acid

Valproic acid is an anti-epileptic drug.  It also has immunomodulatory and HDAC effects, these effects can both cause autism when taken by a pregnant mother and also improve autism in some people.

Valproic acid can have side effects. Low dose valproic acid seems to work for some people. 


4.     Gastroenterology

Fecal microbiota transplant (FMT)

FMT is currently used to treat recurrent Clostridium difficile infection and may also be of benefit for other GI conditions including IBD, obesity, metabolic syndrome, and functional GI disorders.

Altered gut bacteria (dysbiosis) is a feature of some autism which then impairs brain function.  Reversing the dysbiosis with FMT improves brain function.  


5.     Oncology

Lenalidomide
Romidepsin
  
Lenalidomide is an expensive anti-cancer drug that also has immunomodulatory effects.

Romidepsin is a potent HDAC inhibitor, making it a useful cancer therapy.  HDAC inhibitors are potential autism drugs, but only if given early enough not to miss the critical periods of brain development. 


6.     Pulmonology

N-acetylcysteine

Many people with autism respond well to NAC. You do need a lot of it, because it has a short half-life.


7.     Nutritional medicine and dietary supplements

Omega-3 fatty acids
Vitamin D
Flavonoids

Nutritional supplements can get very expensive.  In hot climates, like Egypt, some dark skinned people cover up and then lack vitamin D.  A lack of vitamin D will make autism worse.

Some people with mild brain disorders do seem to benefit from some omega-3 therapies.

Flavonoids are very good for general health, but seem to lack potency for treating brain disorders.  Quercetin and luteolin do have some benefits. 


8.     Rheumatology

Celecoxib
Corticosteroids
Intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG)


Celecoxib is a common NSAID that is particularly well tolerated (it affects COX-2 and only marginally COX-1, hence its reduced GI side effects).

NSAIDS are used by many people with autism.

Steroids do improve some people’s autism, but are unsuitable for long term use.  A short course of steroids reduces Covid-19 deaths – a very cost effective therapy.

IVIG is extremely expensive, but it does provide a benefit in some cases. IVIG is used quite often to treat autism in the US, but rarely elsewhere other than for PANS/PANDAS that might occur with autism.


9.     Regenerative medicine

Stem cell therapy

I was surprised they gave stem cell therapy a mention. I think it is still early days for stem cell therapy.


Conclusion

I have observed the ongoing Covid-19 situation with interest and in particular what use has been made of the scientific literature.

There are all sorts of interesting snippets of data. You do not want to be deficient in Zinc or vitamin D, having high cholesterol will make it easier for the virus to enter your cells.  Potassium levels may plummet and blood becomes sticky, so may form dangerous clots. A long list of drugs may be at least partially effective, meaning they speed up recovery and reduce death rates. Polytherapy, meaning taking multiple drugs, is likely to be the best choice for Covid-19.

Potential side effects of some drugs have been grossly exaggerated, as with drugs repurposed for autism.  Even in published research, people cheat and falsify the data. In the case of hydroxychloroquine, the falsified papers were quickly retracted.

The media twist the facts, to suit their narrative, as with autism.  This happens even with Covid-19. Anti-Trump media (CNN, BBC etc) is automatically anti-hydroxychloroquine, and ignores all the published research and the results achieved in countries that widely use it (small countries like China and India). 

Shutting down entire economies when only 5-10% of the population have been infected and hopefully got some immunity, does not look so smart if you are then going to reopen and let young people loose.  They will inevitably catch the virus and then infect everyone else. Permanent lockdown restrictions, if followed by everyone, until a vaccine which everyone actually agreed to take, makes sense and living with the virus makes sense, but anything in between is not going to work. After 3 months without any broad lockdown, and allowing young people to socialize, most people would have had the virus and then those people choosing to shield could safely reemerge. The death rate with the current optimal, inexpensive treatment, as used in India or South Africa is very low, in people who are not frail to start with. Time to make a choice.  Poor people in poor countries cannot afford to keep going into lockdown, they need to eat.

What hope is there for treating a highly heterogeneous condition like autism, if it is not approached entirely rationally and without preconceptions and preconditions?  In a pandemic we see that science does not drive policy and translating science into therapy is highly variable.  The science is there for those who choose to read it.

I frequently see comments from parents who have seen some of the research showing that autism has an inflammatory/auto-immune component.  They ask why this has not been followed up on in the research.  It has been followed up on.  It just has not been acted upon.

Why has it not been acted on?

This missing stage is called “translation”.  Why don’t doctors translate scientific findings into therapy for their patients?

What is common sense to some, is “experimental” to others. “Experimental” is frowned upon in modern medicine, but innovation requires experimentation.

Many people’s severe autism is unique and experimental polytherapy/polypharmacy is their only hope.

The cookie cutter approach is not going to work for autism. 

Thankfully, for many common diseases the cookie cutter approach works just fine.

Do the authors of today’s paper, Dr McDougle and Dr Thom, actually prescribe to their young patients many of the drugs that they have written about?  I doubt it and therein lies the problem.  

Time for that wizard, perhaps? 

A few years ago I did add the following tag line, under the big Epiphany at the top of the page. 

An Alternative Reality for Classic Autism - Based on Today's Science

You can choose a different Autism reality, if you do not like your current one.  I am glad I did. I didn't even need a wizard.  

There are many immuno-modulatory therapies for autism that the Massachusetts doctor duo did not mention, but it is good that they made a start.








50 comments:

  1. hi Peter, some years ago i met a doctor who was open to immunomodulatory therapy..he gave to my daughter: pentoxyfilline, without any effect; then Transfer Factor immunomodulatory therapy and this was a success :her debilitating insomnia disappeared completely and her hyperactivity lessened , only scientific reference is https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8993773/
    my daughter has subclinical epileptiform activity without clinical seizures, perhaps her insomnia was related to increased epileptic disharges at night and immunotherapy helped, some people say this subclinical epilepsy can be autoiimune in its origin........carla marta

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    1. Carla Marta, that is interesting. Was the therapy by mouth or injection?

      It seems that some countries have used DLyE (transfer factor) for many years. A product called Transferon is used in Mexico for various conditions.

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    2. the therapy was by mouth...the transfer factor was prepared by a doctor at Malpighi Hospital in Bologna....many autistic children tried the therapy but they were non responders m the doctor was disappointed and stopped giving transfer factor to autistic children ..but i am sure my daughter was a responder, she was sleeping all night long for first time in her life! The real problem is, we do not have biomarkers to select good candidates for this therapy

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    3. Peter, what role can a product like Transferon could have in classic autism? Many years ago we tried trans factor 4life brand, didn't see much, I see are different products, just to start looking into that, since we could potentially obtain it.
      Thanks
      Lolani

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    4. Lolani, you might see a benefit. All these trans factor products are different. I think if you lived in Mexico you could try it and maybe you see some benefit. If it costs a lot of money and you cannot get it reliably, there are probably better things to trial.

      Neuro-inflammation is a key feature of classic autism. Dozens of things can potentially be beneficial. There is no easy way to know what therapy will help each specific person.

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  2. We are doing a mito cocktail and high dose DHA oil therapy this summer, along with his usual polypill ingredients and allergy meds. I have to say, I will keep both for the summer at least, and maybe the high dose oil long term, if not indefinitely. I gave a lower dose children's version to him as a toddler but eventually pushed aside to trial other medications as his issues did not improve. However, this past month we went full on therapeutic dose fish oil (see Dr. Michael Lewis's omega 3 protocol), combined with the mito cocktail basic ingredients (along with creatine) and wow... what a difference. He is relaxed, calm, allergies are down, and speech has skyrocketed. Apraxia is still there but he's talking at a normal rate, no more hesitation or avoidance issues. His memory and attentiveness have gone up dramatically and that's all we need for now to get back into making progress with therapy. Studies abound on high dose omegas for TBI (which I consider to be his asd cause), especially DHA in recent papers.

    On a different note, concerning microglia effect on myelin, I just saw this study yesterday-


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-0654-2

    MKate

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    1. MKate,do you mind sharing your creatine dosis? at the moment we are doing 2000mgr but planning to go higher, I think its helping a bit but maybe we need to go higher in my 13 year old son, he is 43kg, a long time ago he benefited with mitochondrial support, so maybe it would be a good idea to reintroduce again and might help the creatine....can you share what you give for mito support?
      Thank you,
      Lolani

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    2. Sure. I give my son who is 7, 32kg, up to 5 grams creatine daily. You could probably double that with a 13 year old. What I use is nothing special, just creatine monohydrate. I think the brand is Nutricost, and it was pretty cheap for a large 500 gram tub of it. There is also creatinol o phosphate, that is a broken down form of creatine. I have not tried that yet but may soon to see if there's an improvement. I also bought some Mitospectra but found it very clumpy when trying to dissolve in drinks. If your son takes capsules it may work for mitochondrial support. I like the product, have taken a few days worth of it myself and felt quite good effects from it.
      What I did is I made a "copycat" of Mitospectra's 5 ingredients to try out on my son. There are other B vitamins and such that can be prescribed for a mito cocktail if you were to go and get seen by a specialist and have bloodwork, etc etc. I can't do that with my son, he would be distraught and would be traumatized by a blood draw. We had very traumatic hospital experiences ongoing in his first two years of life so unless it's life or death we avoid medical procedures when possible right now.
      I bought each ingredient from amazon.com: NOW brand L Carnitine powder, Bluebonnet Pantothenic Acid 250mg capsules, NOW brand CoQ10 powder, NOW brand Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C), and Vital Nutrients Vitamin E Succinate. I started at a low dose of each ingredient, measured into a cup then used a bit of hot water (I have a hot water dispenser instead of coffee machine) to dissolve it all together. Then in another larger cup I put in 1 tsp of the high dose DHA fish oil, Nordic Naturals ProOmega 2000 and dissolve the CoQ10 dose of powder into the oil, since it is only fat soluble. Then I add in the powder mixture and fill the rest of the large cup with apple juice. I give this dose at 12noon, and at 5 or 6pm with dinner. A lot gets left over but it's seems to be working so far. Creatine sometimes gets added in, or given in the AM.

      To figure out how to start off dosing for your son's weight, definitely read Dr. Richard I. Kelley's work that is published online.

      Here is a link for the paper I used as a guide:
      http://epidemicanswers.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Dr.-Richard-Kelly-Autism_Mitochondrial_Disease.pdf

      Or...just get the Mitospectra and save yourself a lot of hassle!! :)

      Good luck, hopefully you find some things that work for him!

      MKate

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    3. Thanks Mkate, I will try definitely to increase creatine and look for all the mito support soon.
      Lolani

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  3. Mkate, thanks for the omega 3 protocol info. We never tried higher dose fish oil for my son. What dosage is beneficial for your son, do we need same dosage suggested in the protocol for children as well. Also, do you use the capsules or liquid fish oil.

    -SC

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    1. Sure, glad to help. I am using Nordic Naturals ProOmega 2000 capsules which I cut open and squeeze out. This formula seems a lot less fishy smelling and has a lemon flavor that my son seems to at least tolerate in a big glass of pure apple juice. He is 7, about 32kg and I use 4 a day, split into 2 doses of 2, along with the mito cocktail mixed in. It's not perfect, a lot gets left over in his cup, but it's working so far. The protocol calls for 9 capsules a day for adults, so for a child that's about 1/3 of the weight, I think 3-4 should be adequate. But honestly, I think it could go higher if your child tolerates the taste and it doesn't cause diarrhea or anything unusual. In 2 capsules of Pro Omega 2000 there are 2150mg total omega 3, 1125mg EPA and 875mg DHA. A high dose of DHA seems to be what gets more results with neurological injuries, TBI, etc. There is another form of Pro Omega in liquid which has 1450mg EPA, 1010mg DHA in 5mL. I may switch to that soon. I also give some biotin gummies, about 10-12mg a day. They help with his coordination and endurance, along with the creatine I add into his mito cocktail. I do not think the improvements we've seen would've been as impressive without the mito cocktail.

      Good luck :)

      MKate

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    2. Thank you again for sharing all this information. My son is 8 and about 25kg. Some supplements like Carnitine cause diarrhea. Do you use any specific mito cocktail product. We tried Mitospectra but stopped due to diarrhea.

      -SC

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    3. SC- I just wrote a response above with my routine for a mito cocktail with the same ingredients as Mitospectra. I think carnitine can cause diarrhea but if you start low with it and the other ingredients in the cocktail and work up the doses week by week, it may be easier for him. I'm not sure, it's very much individualized and I'm not even 100% certain I'm doing it as well as I can for my child. If it was possible for my son to make it through a bunch of blood draws and testing, I would take him to see a specialist and get just what he needs prescribed and tailored to him. But that's not the case unfortunately. SO I'm doing the best I can as a highly motivated mom, and keeping a very close eye on his reactions, changes, etc, and adjusting accordingly. The fish oil can be credited with 60% of the improvements we've seen. The mito cocktail is probably 40%. They definitely work together for the best result in our experience.

      Good luck and hope you can find a solution! :)
      MKate

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  4. Hello Peter, Friends, and Community,

    Hope everyone is doing well.

    Between an unexpectedly busy summer, and having our daughter home with us during work days, it's been challenging to do as much research as I used to, and to post, but I did just find the following paper that I thought would be of interest:

    https://www.cell.com/chem/fulltext/S2451-9294(20)30298-9

    It's about an Italian team that has identified NKCC1 inhibitors that don't cause the diuresis that Bumetanide does, and which they hope to get into clinical trials in a couple of years.

    Hope you find it of interest!

    AJ (in the middle of a Canadian Heatwave)

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    1. AJ, that is very interesting.

      ARN23746 would seem to be a prime target for the autism researchers trying to lower chloride. Hopefully the Italians with their ARN23746, talk to the French with their patents based on lowering chloride.

      Unfortunately, you are not likely to see ARN23746 developed fast, because nothing is. The French researchers told me this previously. Even simple steps take many years.

      Bumetanide does work, it is cheap and is available. Its side effects are entirely manageable, if you apply common sense.

      Good luck to the Italians.

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    2. Dear Peter, AJ, and community,
      On behalf of the Italian research group and as the future CEO of a biopharma company, I can share that we are actively moving forward with the preclinical studies of ARN23746. Striving with transforming the lives of children with neurological conditions, we hope to proceed to the first-in-human safety/tolerability clinical studies by the first quarter of 2023. As you might know, the regulatory process is strictly regulated to carefully evaluate possible toxicity, side effects and not ultimately efficacy, and provide you with the best drug to serve the patient community better. Unfortunately, the times necessary are quite disappointing for the overall community, parents, and children.
      In addition, as of today, unfortunately, Bumetanide by the Ben-Ari French group at Neurochlore/Servier has failed to provide a meaningful benefit, possibly due to its side effects, to continue with the Ph. 3 studies. It is my understanding anyway the program is still active as Servier is possibly considering to stratify patients population.
      I hope to provide you with the expected communication as you deserve to inform all the autism community about the future development of ARN23746. Beginning with the closing of the first round of funding to advance the lead candidate and the company's incorporation, that will be publicly disclosed by the end of 2021.
      Everyone's story is different. This is why we need all your support to help us understand how to serve you better.
      Thank you all.

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  5. Hi Peter, I would like to return to sodium valproate as it reduces demyelination, I didn't know it is immunemodulator and it is used in MS. What do you think? I think the neuroligist will have no problem in prescribing it. But I would give him only 125 mg a day, just one capsule.
    Valentina

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    1. Valentina, sodium valproate does have important effects that can be very beneficial. It does also sometimes have side effects. If your son can now tolerate a low dose, it would be worth trying it again.

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    2. Hi Peter, the benefits of sodium valproate as immunemodulator is at 20 or 30 mg/kg. In my son would be 800 or 1200 mg a day. Iam afraid of the side effects at this doses such as mitochondria. It also was associated with reduced parietal lobe thickness and brain volume.Don't know how real this is. What should I do?
      Valentina

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    3. Valentina, since you did experience issues with Valproate in the past, best to only use a low dose.

      Valproate has numerous effects and they are not fully understood. There are benefits to Valproate at low doses. Talk to your neurologist.

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  6. Hi Peter,

    My son (8 yo, 33kg, classic asd) has recently been prescribed valproate due to epilepsy. He is also on risperidone (0,70 mg/d) due to behaviour issues.
    Even though his behaviour improved with risperidone (mainly reduced tantrums and SIB) and we hope he can still benefit from valproate, we have not been able so far, to find anything that helps with restricted interests. Is there any post in your blog where you have covered this topic or any piece of research you can recommend? We tried NAC up to 4x600 mg (fluimucil) and only got diarrhea.
    Thanks in advance!
    María G.

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    1. Maria, the most potent drug to trial for classic autism is Bumetanide. If your son is indeed a responder to this drug, you can expect wide-ranging cognitive and behavioral improvements.

      https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-safe-use-of-bumetanide-in-children.html

      I think everyone with classic autism should trial bumetanide.

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    2. Thanks Peter,
      The issue with bumetanide is that we couldn't persuade his paediatrician/specialist to prescribe it so far. We live in Spain and also tried the "ask nicely to the Pharmacist" method, but they would not sell it without a prescription. Our next step should be finding someone willing to prescribe it, I guess.
      Thanks a lot for sharing your ideas and experience.

      María G.

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  7. Maria, I am currently in Ibiza and have a lot of bumetanide with me. Is there a way for you to get it from me? Not sure if I can send pills in Spain.

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  8. Hi tpes,
    I do not think that would be feasible, but thanks anyway.
    Eventually we will manage to get a prescription, I am sure.
    Enjoy Ibiza!

    María G.

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  9. Hi Peter

    Please what are your thoughts on Ritalin for calming.we are presently on the Bumetanide clinical trials in the UK but i suspect we are on the placebo. My son is also on the pathway for an ADHD diagnosis .He is on the go all the time and we have zero quality of life.My other children are suffering too and I am so desperate now and looking for a backup incase the real bumetanide does now work.I feel so hopeless.Please what are your thoughts

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    1. Ritalin is extremely widely prescribed in the US, so there is plenty of data. It can have side effects, but some people are safely on it for years.

      Ask your doctor to make a trial and then you can judge the results for yourself. If there is no clear benefit, then best not to use it. If it calms him down, stops the disruptions and there are no side effects, then keep using it.

      Poor/restrictive diet, common in autism, can contribute to ADHD, so you could talk to a dietician, with experience of ADHD.

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    2. Thanks Peter.His diet is extremely poor and he eats only crunchy stuff and is constipated all the time .We just started him on movicol and it’s not working even after doubling the dose for a week .I will look for a dietician with experience of ADHD or do you have any recommendations ?Thanks

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    3. I have no personal experience of dieticians.

      The biggest is issue is how to get the child to adopt the new foods, which is where you might be best advised by parents who have successfully achieved this. My son never had a restricted diet.

      The diet itself is the easy part. You want to have 7+ types of fruit/vegetable/berry a day. Cook from raw ingredients, don't buy processed food, don't fry food. Use olive oil and not sunflower oil. Eat oily fish. It is just a healthy diet, the opposite of store bought chicken nuggets and fries.

      How you get your child to eat this food is the issue.

      A poor diet leads to a poor microbiota (gut bacteria) and nutritional deficiencies. In totally neurotypical kids a poor diet has no major behavioral effect. In some kids with ADHD, or very mild autism, when you improve diet their problems just fade away. In a child with severe autism, changing diet can help but will not be sufficient.

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    4. Thanks Peter.We have started this on Friday and he is eating if my husband sits with him and feeds him,if i do he spits ut out and refuses to swallow so we have resorted to his dad feeding him for now.
      We are Africans and usually cook from scratch all the time and use olive oil for all our cooking .I have stopped giving fries since Friday.Hopefully we will see results once he keeps eating what we eat.

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    5. lady apinks---have you tried giving some potassium and magnesium along with the bumetanide? Since it's a diuretic, it can upset electrolyte balance for some children. My son had the same issue after it took effect in the morning, very jumpy and running around. Once I added in 250-300mg Potassium Citrate and about 50-100mg Magnesium Biglycinate he calmed down back to normal. You can use other forms of Potassium and Mag, it's just those seem to be tolerated best for most people. HTH :)
      MKate

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    6. Thanks we are on the clinical trial so I can’t introduce anything at the moment and I suspect he’s on the placebo as he does not show the side effects of going to the toilet .We have managed to get him to eat what we are eating and I make daily smoothies for him too so hopefully that should resolve the constipation over time .

      Have you seen any improvements with the bumetanide

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    7. We have been using Bumetanide since 2012 and in our case there has been a reduction in severity of autism and an increase in the ability to learn. The effect at the start was very obvious to everyone.

      It is not a cure, but the younger you start, the bigger the effect is likely to be.

      Not all people respond to bumetanide, because there are many hundreds of possible causes of autism.

      This trial does not look so clever. They should have a placebo that is a diuretic and they should be monitoring potassium in all subjects. If it is obvious to parents who has the placebo, this will inevitably skew the results, because the autism assessment used is already subjective.

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    8. Yes they are monitoring potassium in all subjects as we have regular visits to the clinic same as others on the real thing.
      I just figured he's not on the real thing as he's not going to the toilet which is a side effect.I get what you mean though about the assessment being subjective

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  10. Good afternoon Peter (and Friends and Community),

    Hope all is well!

    Peter, I just found an interesting new paper I wanted to flag for you, especially as you had already identified the potential for statins in a few of your blog posts in the past.

    The paper I just found is called "A differential effect of lovastatin versus simvastatin in neurodevelopmental disorders"

    https://www.eneuro.org/content/eneuro/early/2020/07/10/ENEURO.0162-20.2020.full.pdf

    I know you had identified some of the relevant pathways (i.e. RAS, ERK) in the past, and I believe you had mentioned Atorvastatin and Lovastatin, so I know this is an area you have already covered.

    What I found interesting in the relevant paper is that Simvastatin, which is more brain-penetrant than Lovastatin, actually worsens the excess production of proteins rather than reducing it, so the message (to me at least) is that one should not assume that since Simvastatin is a Statin, and is more brain-penetrant, that it would be better than some other statins when excess protein production (due to Ras/ERK) in neurons is the issue.

    I just wanted to share this with you just in case anyone ever asks if Simvastatin would be useful in those causes of ASD where Ras/ERK result in excess protein production. I believe you have noted the benefits of Atorvastatin (which we have not yet trialed, but which may be worthy of a trial for us)

    I hope this helpful, and have a great day Peter!

    AJ

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    1. Thanks AJ, you do indeed have to choose your statin with care. There was an old post on this subject.

      Choose your Statin with Care in FXS, NF1 and idiopathic Autism
      https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2018/10/choose-your-statin-with-care-in-fxs-nf1.html

      The good news is that the Atorvastatin responders show the benefit from the first pill, so it is very simple to make a trial. The benefit should appear within a day or two of the start of the trial and disappear within a day or two after the trial has ended. You can make multiple short trials to be 100% certain that there is a genuine benefit.

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  11. Hi Peter,

    Thanks very much. I will look to see if I can get Atorvastatin prescribed and just run a test.

    After a long (LONG) search, I finally found a doctor that was at least willing to listen and consider options like this, and I ran Bumetanide by her and she really listened but ultimately said no. Now, that I'm interested in trialing Atorvastatin ... she just went on mat leave ... I'm going to try to run it by her temporary replacement (until she returns, which in Canada is usually about 1 year).

    The great thing about trialing Atorvastatin, which I learned from you, is that the results can be seen soon (a day or two) after initiating a trial.

    Have a great day Peter!

    AJ

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    1. Hi Peter, one more question for you. In terms of dosing, how would I determine the best dosage? I'm looking at a 7 year old who is 48 pounds. I know that in the follow study (for high cholesterol), kids were initiated at 5mg or 10mg but went up to 80mg (to control cholesterol):

      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1933287416302197#:~:text=Subjects%20aged%206%20to%20%3C10,%3C130%20mg%2FdL).

      Is ASD an indication where I would be able to see an impact on the low end (i.e. 5mgs) or do benefits arise once its been titrated up?

      Thanks in advance Peter!

      AJ

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    2. AJ, I have always used 10mg of Atorvastatin, which is the lowest dose available to me. If you have the 5mg tablets available, it would make sense to start with that. In theory you can cut these tablets in half.

      If the dose is too high, it may cause a headache.

      People who experience muscle pains from statins often find they disappear when they supplement CoQ10, which statins will reduce.

      At 10mg, we have not seen any negative effect of any kind.

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    3. Hi Peter,

      Thanks very much!

      I'm actually on Rosuvastatin (for me) and have always used Ubiquinol for the reason you described (i.e. it reduces CoQ10 levels) so I appreciate the additional insights you've kindly provided.

      If I do get a prescription, I'll ensure to also give Ubiquinol.

      Have a great day Peter!

      AJ

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    4. AJ, your statin is hydrophilic, so it will not cross the blood brain barrier, otherwise you could have tried that.

      Your daughter would need a lypophilic statin (Atorvastatin, Lovastatin, Simvastatin etc).

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    5. Hi Peter,

      Thanks very much for the additional insight on Rosuvastatin!

      AJ

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  12. Just here to report that E.B. whom I mentioned and who tried Embrel for his sons (intrathecal) has seen nothing special in the week since the therapy.

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  13. Hello Peter, I would like to trial pentoxifylline, though i'm worried about interactions and dosages my son is taking verapamil, clemastine and bumetanide this is the only article I found about any interaction:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20201780/

    This is a fragment: Verapamil significantly increased concentrations of both methylxanthines in murine serum and tissues. In contrast to lisofylline, pentoxifylline concentrations were also significantly higher in mutant mice 30 min following intravenous administration. Due to the fact that pentoxifylline is not a good P-glycoprotein substrate, a possible mechanism of this interaction might be that in the presence of verapamil, pentoxifylline elimination is inhibited by its metabolites that are normally eliminated through P-glycoprotein-mediated transport.

    I give him the least possible dose of verapamil, also I found out that there is Lysomucil available here but it's registered by a Mexican laboratory, in the package it says that it was made in Switzerland, it's the second day and my son has had no reduction in stimming or OCD behaviours, the tablets do smell a bit weird.

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  14. Lisa, there some possible interactions that I found here:-

    https://www.drugbank.ca/drugs/DB00806

    The risk or severity of hypotension, dyspepsia, and headache can be increased when Verapamil is combined with Pentoxifylline.

    Pentoxifylline may increase the excretion rate of Bumetanide which could result in a lower serum level and potentially a reduction in efficacy.

    This would suggest you do not give Pentoxifylline at the same time of day as you give bumetanide.

    Verapamil has a short half-life. Pentoxifylline (and its metabolites) have a very short half life - less than 2 hours.

    Many drug interactions just mean you have to reduce the dosage of one of the drugs, which may well save you some money and so is not a bad thing.

    Lysomucil is yet another acetyl cysteine product (like NAC) and it may well smell a bit like rotten eggs. NAC is very beneficial for some people, but not for all autism. If it does not benefit your case, then there is no point to buy more.

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    1. Thank you for the information Peter, I had to research because I didn't understand what half life meant at first.

      Have a nice day!

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  15. Peter, maybe the question is what ‘early’ is. In Israel, autism is diagnosed age 6-10 months, and treatment starts at that age - the best way possible: The Mifne center treats children by inviting the family for intensive courses of several weeks wherw they learn principles of Floortime ABA etc and how to implement them. THAT is early. As far as Covid goes, I am terrified to get it, because my child has Pandas. As you have probably read, Covid in itself causes Pandas and other immune/inflammatory issues in the brain. I don’t like that for her. She is starting school in a few weeks and obviously that will be her likely Covid source - and I surely will not be taking school away from her. But I am scared. A quick update therapy wise - we spent a month in Ibiza and like always when exhilirated, she progressed amazingly. We stayed longer than we thought and I had no Propranolol left the last few days. There was no downturn from removing it so I will leave it like that. Naturally, on Ibiza you can buy some. great quality CBD oil and we took the opportunity. It has taken off an edge off her anxiety and made her more patient and calm. We hope that effect continues. We also were not here during the peak of Ambrosia, her biggest allergen, yay to that. I will be pushing for IVIG these days, because the constant Azithro/diflucan is not something I wish for my child.

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  16. Peter, do you have a guess at what an appopriate dose to trial pioglitazone would be for a 20kg child?

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    1. Sara,

      A pilot dose finding study of pioglitazone in autistic children
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6258310/

      In this trial 3 different dose were used. 0.25 mg/kg, 0.5 mg/kg, and 0.75 mg/kg once daily. All were found to be safe.

      “Pioglitazone was well tolerated with no serious adverse events identified. Pioglitazone demonstrated efficacy in improving both core (social withdrawal and repetitive behaviors) and associated (irritability, hyperactivity, and anxiety) autism symptoms and did significantly decrease the pro-inflammatory cytokine IL-6 and increase the anti-inflammatory cytokine IL-10”.

      It is always best to use the lowest dose that gives the beneficial effects. On that basis, starting at 0.25 mg/kg would make sense. Then you see later if a higher dose gives a greater benefit.

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  17. Peter yours thought on
    1.verapamil may increase the arrhythmogenic activities of Fish oil. Can omega3 combined with verapamil??
    2.Potassium citrate may increase the hyperkalemic activities of Fish oil.

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